Emperor system, new capitalism, SDGs ... Hiroshi Fujiwara vs Manabu Shintani "Ultimate chat" vol.2


Web magazine "​ ​This interview is brought to you by Ring of Colour in cooperation with JBpress autograph. In the first part of the​ ​A dialogue project between Hiroshi Fujiwara and Manabu Shintani, who collaborated with "Pear". In the second part, the imperial issue, the emperor system, religion, the universe, and the SDGs ... Continuing from the last time, we will deliver the unstoppable "ultimate chat" with photographs taken by photographer Yoshihiro Tatsuki at the Bungei Shunju office building.

Photo_Yoshihiro Tachigi Edit & Text_Eisuke Yamashita, Mio Koumura

■ "Current Emperor System" as seen from Hiroshi Fujiwara

Fujiwara:​ ​It sounds a little awesome, but nowadays, when it catches fire, it's often deleted or apologized. Is it a phobia of fire?

Shintani:​ ​Such a method would detract from the value of ourselves. It is Sekiyama that I wonder if I can pay for such unprepared content. So if this one burns, I will answer sincerely. I carefully explain what I thought and what kind of process I made. There is no monthly or weekly publication on this, and I think it is important for all media.

Fujiwara:​ ​Nothing is worse than an unfaithful apology in the first place. I think I can apologize only for the shape in both the entertainment world and the political world.

Shintani:​ ​Mr. Fujiwara, have you ever experienced a fire?

Fujiwara:​ ​It's not so much, but when I uploaded a photo of an old 1000-yen note on Instagram, it burned up in Korea.

Shintani:​ ​Oh, Hirobumi Ito's (laughs). Did you do anything about it?


Fujiwara:​ ​
No, nothing. Because it's my nostalgia (laughs).

Shintani:​ ​Is there anything you are careful about when making a call?

Fujiwara:​ ​There is a little. It's okay to criticize the government or the nation, but I don't want to hurt personal things as much as possible.

Shintani:​ ​Suddenly, how does Mr. Fujiwara see Mako's marriage and imperial issues (laughs)?

Fujiwara:​ ​No, I feel sorry for you. Besides, she is a woman.

Shintani:​ ​What about your partner?

Fujiwara:​ ​It's interesting as a character, isn't it? I wondered if he would appear in "No Laughing Series" at the end of the year (laughs). But they are ordinary people, and they have already left the imperial family.

Shintani:​ ​It may burn again (laughs), but do you agree with the emperor system in the first place?

Fujiwara:​ ​In the old days, it was a stance that I didn't need it.

Shintani:​ ​It's a flat tire (laughs).

Fujiwara:​ ​But now, I think it's okay to have one. In short, I can't find many disadvantages.

Shintani:​ ​What are the benefits?

Fujiwara:​ ​The merit is ... It calms the hearts of Japanese people (laughs).

Shintani:​ ​Isn't it a model answer (laughs)? But the "symbol of integration" is a very vague expression, isn't it?

Fujiwara:​ ​This may burn again, but I think there is room for debate as to whether or not Emperor Showa can be regarded as a symbol. However, I think that the current emperor system has really become a symbol.

 Shintani:​ ​In this issue, the ambiguity and difficulty of the symbolic position was revealed. In short, the only support that makes the symbolic emperor system sustainable is its popularity with the people. If someone else comes out, or if it continues, it is a serious question whether it will continue in the way it is now, and it is exactly the theme that "Bungei Shunju" should tackle.

Fujiwara:​ ​If that happens, it won't last. This is also one of the problems that the system is aging, or that it is not possible to change generations well.

■ Two people's view of religion and thought of the universe

-Is there a case where it survives like the British royal family?

Shintani:​ ​After all the difference between the imperial family and the royal family is big. Because they carry out Shinto rituals. By the way, Mr. Fujiwara is from Ise, but do you also go to visit Ise?

Fujiwara:​ ​I don't go that much and I don't worship, but I like it. Ise Jingu is more like a worship of nature than a god. But I don't believe in power spots at all. There was Ise Jingu in the neighborhood of my house, so I wouldn't want to go with my relatives when I was a kid.



Shintani:​ ​Are you an atheist?

Fujiwara:​ ​If anything, that's right. Mr. Shintani?

Shintani:​ ​I don't believe in anything strongly, but when I was taken a rest for three months when I was the editor-in-chief of "Weekly Bunshun", I spent about 10 days in the latter half of it walking on the Kumano Kodo. rice field. I went around all of Kumanosanzan with the storyteller's grandfather and got a bill.

Fujiwara:​ ​Kumano Nachi Taisha is good, isn't it?

Shintani:​ ​There is something I feel in the history that Kumano is a place of resurrection and a place that accepts everything regardless of sacredness. After that, when I returned, it immediately became like a series of sold out.

Fujiwara:​ ​That's why I believed in God (laughs).

Fujiwara:​ ​I don't know if it leads to religion, but it's the awakening of the force. The experience I was able to reset here was great.

Fujiwara:​ ​How about that? Space (laughs).

Shintani:​ ​Well, maybe not so much ... Do you want to go, Mr. Fujiwara?

Fujiwara:​ ​No, I don't want to go. I'm going to get space sick. I would like to go if there is a kiosk (laughs), but I can't buy anything. It looks like a virtual space.

Shintani:​ ​I'm just a bend, or when everyone starts talking, I don't want to go.

Fujiwara:​ ​But this time, I think it's wonderful what Maezawa did. It really does.

■ Is "new capitalism" really possible?

Shintani:​ ​What do you think about the change in the Prime Minister? Are you interested in the first place?

Fujiwara:​ ​Of course there is.

Shintani:​ ​What are positive and negative?

Fujiwara:​ ​This time it's neither. Even from the character of Mr. Kishida, there will be no big change. In the first place, the United States, which replaced Trump and Biden, hasn't changed much. Whether it's a policy toward China or TPP.

Shintani:​ ​Of course, both countries have changed, but both powers are in an environment where they can't do what they want to do, so it's difficult to move things forward. However, if you take a closer look, there is a flow from the hawkish Seiwakai in the Liberal Democratic Party to the dovish Kochikai led by Mr. Kishida. In the February issue of "Bungei Shunju", we featured a questionnaire to 123 political reporters, "The next prime minister, the prime minister five years from now." It may be the manifestation. This person is the current Minister of Foreign Affairs, but he is also the representative of the dove faction who also served as the chairman of the Japan-China Friendship Parliamentary Union.

Fujiwara:​ ​Of course, Mr. Abe does not welcome you.

Shintani:​ ​You're pretty worried, or you're wary of overdoing it. Prime Minister Kishida himself has set the theme of "new capitalism" and is aiming to break away from neoliberalism and redistribute wealth, but there are many Metsuke roles like Mr. Abe, so it is hard to leave it to me. There is also.

Fujiwara:​ ​If we don't go too far, I think we need to redistribute wealth.


Shintani:​ ​The departure from neoliberalism has become a global trend, and many scholars make such a statement. Kohei Saito, a young philosopher, has also become a bestseller and will be one of the themes of this year.

Fujiwara:​ ​But how do you make it go smoothly? There is also the issue of whether the rich people can really distribute it even if they spit it out.

Shintani:​ ​I agree. In the United States, the supporters of the dovish Democratic Party are mainly establishments, so there is a twisting phenomenon in which people who spill out of the elite politics end up supporting the super-hawkish Trump. The same is true in Japan, but there may be a reason for distrust of the media. For those in need right now, the increasing number of media that they don't think are on their side will further encourage that trend.

Fujiwara:​ ​I feel it.

■ "If I were a junior high school student, I might be buying Bitcoin now."

Shintani:​ ​
Recently, I feel that there are few younger generations who can talk about their hopes for the future in an easy-to-understand manner. My eldest son is in the third year of college, but he is rather afraid of failure.

Fujiwara:​ ​How do you feel Do you think about SDGs?

Shintani:​ ​There is also that, but I'm thinking hard about work-life balance, and from my point of view, I wonder why I'm so dependent on my life at this age (laughs).

Fujiwara:​ ​Do you make an investment?

Shintani:​ ​Oh, maybe I'm doing it. I am interested.

Fujiwara:​ ​If I were a junior high school student, I'm sure I would be buying Bitcoin. It's more fun to have more than to shop.

Shintani:​ ​It's not punk at all (laughs). Well, it's nonsense to put them together in generations, but now the younger generation is conservative and there are many LDP supporters. It seems that it is evil to go against it.

Fujiwara:​ ​It's easy to run into contradictions when you go against it. If you yell at the SDGs, you'll be told something like, "Then you shouldn't buy clothes for the next two years."

-That may be exactly the problem facing the fashion industry.

Fujiwara:​ ​If you buy this one, it will last for 10 years, because it is sold every year.

Shintani:​ ​It's difficult because the current speech space quickly becomes a debate about which is correct. There can be no convincing opinion. That's why I feel very uncomfortable with the recent evaluation of people who have only a mouthful, such as "King of Debate."

Fujiwara:​ ​As I said before, I think the media can be one-way to some extent. Rather than refuting what was said, I think it's better to make a strong one-way street.

■ For SDGs gangstersDon't be fooled!

-What are your thoughts on the SDGs, which have been the topic of discussion since a while ago?

Shintani:​ ​I think it's time to really think about whether solar and wind power alone can cover the current power consumption, or whether it is not necessary to operate the nuclear power plant. From now on, electricity prices will surely rise steadily, and if we are concerned about CO2 emissions and stop the thermal power, there will naturally be a risk of power outages.

Fujiwara:​ ​It's a world of "I sleep at night!" Like "From the North Country" (laughs). I'm not against the SDGs, but if you go too far, everything will run into contradictions. Recently, there is a lot of business taste, so it's hard because there are many SDGs gangsters.

-SDGs gang!

Fujiwara:​ ​It's a word that came out suddenly (laughs).

Shintani:​ ​There are tons of fraudulent stories about subsidies coming out when you use the sun. When I attended a symposium, I was asked the same question, saying, "The SDGs themselves are important, but there are many things that make you feel the smell of Zeni and try to make money. It is the job of "Bunshun" to shoot down from the beginning. "

Fujiwara:​ ​It's amazing.

-Do you get such a job request from Mr. Fujiwara?

Fujiwara:​ ​There are many requests to make things using such materials, but it is complicated because the standards differ from country to country.


Shintani:​ ​In any case, the earth will be gone in about 5 billion years. So when thinking about how long to maintain that healthy life expectancy, is it really necessary to attach a life-prolonging device? Like the word "carpe diem", we sometimes give rewards to ourselves, such as delicious food and fashionable clothes, and spend a happy life. If you just want to prolong your life, it's not worth living.

Fujiwara:​ ​I often say "for the next generation", but the next generation thinks about the next generation, and I think that is their right in a sense. I'm much smarter than us, so I hope it's something that's unreasonable to say that.

Shintani:​ ​It's become a grand theme (laughs).

■「Will the collaboration between "Bungei Shunju" and Hiroshi Fujiwara be realized?

――What kind of year is 2022 likely to be?

Fujiwara:​ ​How is it? I'm happy with my life now and I don't want to go abroad. So the world will change depending on the coronavirus, but my stance will not change. But I would like to do something with "Bungei Shunju".

Shintani:​ ​I want to create a movement among everyone who is watching such media that it is fashionable to have "Bungei Shunju" under his arm.

Yoshihiro TatsukiBetter yet, what if I just used it as a pouch (laughs)?

Shintani:​ ​As expected, Mr. Tachiki, a master. That's good too (laughs)

Fujiwara:​ ​It's like the Sunday cafe in New York I mentioned earlier. For example, can you make a special issue by changing the cover and even the size once every few months? Of course, without changing the logo, we added a new article to the Best of Bungei Shunju, which is a selection of interesting articles.

Shintani:​ ​I see, it's interesting. Of course, it was curated by Hiroshi Fujiwara. After all, magazines are not interesting without such freedom. Please take a look at this issue as well. The article is "Yakuza and activist, a man with two faces" ...

― After all, punk and employment will continue in 2022!

Fujiwara:​ ​But today I accepted the emperor system (laughs).

Shintani:​ ​"Shock confession! Hiroshi Fujiwara supports the emperor system". In Bunshun, you can make one article (laughs).

Fujiwara:​ ​Even if you accept the emperor system, you won't do the job of seeing the national flag.

Shintani:​ ​Is it OK if the national flag changes?

Fujiwara:​ ​It's pear. But maybe Union Jack would be nice (laughs).

Shintani:​ ​It's like taking off your skin for Her Majesty (laughs).


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